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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Most probably know John Gruber thinks this is going to be something big, and according to his blog he flew out there last night. Funny to fly across country on a hunch. Wouldn't it be funny if Steve didn't talk about the antenna and just announced a deal with Verizon or something.
    I'm tired of hearing about this issue(I know, then I shouldn't have started a discussion on it), I can't believe people are making such a fuss over something that is flying off the shelves. I can't think of anything like this happening before.
    I guess it shows how badly Apple blew it PR wise. Why not just throw the stinking bumper in the package with the phone instead of charging $30 for it, if they knew it was going to be an issue.
    As Gruber points out, Consumer Reports looks pretty stupid over the whole thing as well. Duct tape?
    • CommentAuthorjtdennis
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    If Jobs hadn't spent so much time gushing over the new antenna it would be just like the other iphones and the blame would likely still be on AT&T. When someone's finger can kill the connection it's not an AT&T problem anymore.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010 edited
     
    I wrote this a few days ago. I didn't post it because, well, it makes me seem like a fanboi. but I'm not. I'm not getting a iPhone 4 anytime soon. and my next computer very likely won't be a Mac. maybe I was making fun of some specific outlet. you know, the ones that do shows that react to the news. whatever... here. I'm not sorry about the over use of that word. get over that already if you are offended.

    "ZOMG! the SKY is falling!!!"

    here's the press doing what the press does best. for the past two decades "the press" has been calling for Apple to "just pack it in. you guys and your 3-7% market share will never amount to anything." and they go on and on about this. but it's not just Apple that's under their thumb about products. they do this with every single thing. never mind that somebody slaved away for 12-18 months making the thing. the press will chew it up and spit it out in 18 minutes. it's very hard to argue with success of how this sell papers (and [inhale sound] hits).

    every single thing ever made as a flaw. sometimes these flaws are fatal. but just because a thing as a flaw of any kind doesn't mean it's a steaming pile of poo. but the press would like you to think of things like that. the fatal flaw of the 5150 guitar amp was after you plugged in you still couldn't play eruption. the fatal flaw of the PR40 microphone was that it did not make your voice automatically radio like. the fatal flaw of wearing a gay shirt is that it doesn't always attract the ladies. the fatal flaw of that thing from the press point of view has historically been:

    iPhone 2 no removable battery!
    iPhone 3G no removable battery!
    iPhone 3GS no removable battery!
    iPhone 4 wait [editor: don't say no removable battery. don't fucking say that. we've used that rant for 3 years. give me something new that we can run in 127 point type you monkeys] has a bad antenna.

    "oh yeah. fuck yeah. the iFucking Phone is flawed. we're gonna get hits! fuck, fucking yeah! and it's BAD because you can SEE that it's a fucking turd of a phone. just move your fingers to a specific place exactly right there oh yeah baby you can see the fall of the bars just like you can see the fall of Apple. hell fucking yeah! so here's how we get 400K new hits to our crappy dead tree magazine we'll proclaim that it SUCKS so you all of you will come read our lies and made up factoids that we kinda sorta did in our "lab" which is Bob's office down the hall because Bob has the thing.

    oh. never mind. they have a better lab. fuck.
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      CommentAuthorlvthunder
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Yeah the guy on Fox News just skewered Steve. Neil Cavoto just had a "relationship expert" on. LOL. I guess they wanted to hear Steve say we're sorry. I for one thought Steve did a good job explaining the issue.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    What gets me is that the issue is replicatable on other phones with internal antennas (I have a Nexus one at my office that I can drop the bars on at will). Why in God's name is Apple taking this level of beating and the other companies catching NOTHING?

    I'm not saying there should be equal beatings, but Samsung, Nokia, and HTC seem to be getting of scott free while walking around with the same problems!!
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    Yeah it's just crazy. I think John hit it on the head-unscrupulous editors wanting hits and clicks. Would you really care if a Nokia phone had an antenna issue?
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    John's right.

    As usual :-)
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010 edited
     
    > Would you really care if a Nokia phone had an antenna issue?

    remember when the Zune came out and all of them ripped on the thing without ever actually using one? all those endless references to poo because one of the color choices was brown? thing was, not one of them actually used a Zune. maybe Leo touched one for 3 moments before he impressioned on it. they snarked on the colors, the marketing, the verb for sharing music and everything else about it.

    turns out "welcome to the social!" was actually a very good way to describe the experience. that is, the device was highly social. remember this was the first MP3 player that had 802.11 wireless built in. this allowed for song sharing between devices. and gasp, is a feature that is missing from all iPods to this day. but the kids never talk about the discovery aspects, the subscription way of obtaining music or that it kept getting better with each release.

    sad in a way.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    The Zune, for me, was one of those things... It had its upsides, but it also had its downsides. I never thought it was as bad as people said it was, but I also thought it was emblematic of how out of touch Microsoft was with what the world wanted. The Zune HD, had it been closer to the beginning of the Zune's life cycle, would've been a killer device everyone would want. The Zune? Not so much. The sharing was cool, but it tacked its own DRM onto stuff whether you had it there or not. It was too big. It had a circular control pad that looked just like the iPod's, but you couldn't swirl it. The rubberized coating was nice, but brown? I never met anyone who liked the brown at all unless they were hardcore Microsoft fans.

    That's not to say it didn't have redeeming qualities. The album-art centric browsing was nice (something Apple has been trying and failing at for a long time), the menu system is clean and high-end looking, and from what I've been told by people with better ears, the sound quality is better than its competition.

    The Zune wasn't a terrible device, it was a mediocre device that entered a mature market at a bad time. Had Creative come out with it, I think it would've been better-received.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    This was in my local fish wrap this morning. She talks about how the iphone is useless after you commitment to AT&T is over in 2 years. Gee Ann, I bet you could sell it for a reasonable sum, or have a very nice ipod touch on your hands, you hack.
    Also, isn't every other smartphone in the same boat if you don't keep you phone service with the same carrier?
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    Of course they are.

    It's amazing how everyone acts like the iPhone is the first ever smart phone and AT&T and Apple are the first companies to ever have exclusivity.

    It's more and more infuriating by the day.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010
     
    the Danger phone called the, um, whatever it was called was exclusive... oh yeah the HipTop. anyway it was and is only on T Mobile. a the time when I really wanted that phone AT&T was the better network plan wise so I did without it. lots of my tech friends had it so they could SSH into what ever server they had to manage. it was geeky to be sure. it was alway a "it sucks as a phone but it's mighty powerful!" with them.

    Palm was exclusive to Sprint for a while. Blackberry was exclusive to itself for part of it's life when it was riding on pager technology. Motorola RAZR was exclusive to specific carriers at first. and remember that Nokia phone that was so cool looking in the Matrix? AT&T was the only place to get one.

    if you want to see the shape of things to come look at the iPad 3G. now think of that but as an iPod Touch. you'd get out of the tyranny of a long term contract and the possibility of choosing your pipe.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2010
     
    I recently got into in an argument with someone over a similar issue, I had the gall to commit heresy and say something good about Windows ME. Sure it was a stupid product, sure there was very little reason to upgrade, yes some of the secondary features added to it sucked and were not ready for prime time. But a few people in the tech press decided it was the worst product ever created so now everyone thinks it was this horrible mess of a product. At the time I was stuck using a massively out of date system, guess what ME ran better than 98 on lower end systems. No one knows this though because people who never even saw a system with ME installed let alone used a system with it claim it is the worst product ever in history. I've even heard many people - Leo included- years after the fact admit that ME was no where near as bad as they painted it to be during the negative hype bandwagon gangbang.

    As others pointed out the exact same thing happened with the Zune, It happened to a lesser extent with Vista, and I had friends trying to bad mouth Windows 7 six months before it was out of beta telling me stuff they had "heard" about it. They would back down and shut up very quickly when I would tell them I was beta testing it, and I could tell them things from actual experience and not stuff I had "heard".
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2010
     
    I honestly never hated ME. In fact, I was one of the few folks who bought it on day one and enjoyed using it until I made the move up to Win2k and later XP.

    ME introduced a lot of enhancements to Windows and gave Explorer a much-needed sprucing up (although not a complete facelift). The photos stuff was great (WIA, in particular), built in previewer, and so on, were HUGE for me as I was just starting to dabble in digital photos. And come on... System Restore? How could you not find it useful?

    Oh yeah, and don't forget USB support that didn't suck.

    I agree; people that bagged on ME were just bandwagon jumping. It wasn't a huge leap from 98SE, but it did set a lot of the tone for Windows XP.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2010
     
    Vincenzosi:I honestly never hated ME. In fact, I was one of the few folks who bought it on day one and enjoyed using it until I made the move up to Win2k and later XP.

    ME introduced a lot of enhancements to Windows and gave Explorer a much-needed sprucing up (although not a complete facelift). The photos stuff was great (WIA, in particular), built in previewer, and so on, were HUGE for me as I was just starting to dabble in digital photos. And come on... System Restore? How could you not find it useful?

    Oh yeah, and don't forget USB support that didn't suck.

    I agree; people that bagged on ME were just bandwagon jumping. It wasn't a huge leap from 98SE, but it did set a lot of the tone for Windows XP.


    Same experience I had with it. I remember my bootup time was dramatically cut by at least 50%. The main problem with it was it really should have been a service pack. Look at what SP2 did for XP, that's what ME should have been. It came out during what was probably the strangest period ever in Microsofts product cycle, and people bashed it more for that then anything else.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2010 edited
     
    ME was a pain for me. I was developing full time on NT4 (or was it Win2K I forget) and was really liking everything about my day because things worked there. but the memory leaks that I found when playing video in Windows 98 were not fixed (and were in fact worse) continued to cause problems with stability of my product. short of automatically rebooting the box once a day there was nothing I could do to fix the leaks.

    the second problem with ME was once again Microsoft under shot the actual requirements for hardware. sure, ME could run on an anemic processor with not much RAM but would you really like the experience compared to 98SE? it was like history repeated itself because they did the same thing with Window 95 or later on with Vista.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    johnfoster:ME was a pain for me. I was developing full time on NT4 (or was it Win2K I forget) and was really liking everything about my day because things worked there. but the memory leaks that I found when playing video in Windows 98 were not fixed (and were in fact worse) continued to cause problems with stability of my product. short of automatically rebooting the box once a day there was nothing I could do to fix the leaks.

    the second problem with ME was once again Microsoft under shot the actual requirements for hardware. sure, ME could run on an anemic processor with not much RAM but would you really like the experience compared to 98SE? it was like history repeated itself because they did the same thing with Window 95 or later on with Vista.
    johnfoster:ME was a pain for me. I was developing full time on NT4 (or was it Win2K I forget) and was really liking everything about my day because things worked there. but the memory leaks that I found when playing video in Windows 98 were not fixed (and were in fact worse) continued to cause problems with stability of my product. short of automatically rebooting the box once a day there was nothing I could do to fix the leaks.

    the second problem with ME was once again Microsoft under shot the actual requirements for hardware. sure, ME could run on an anemic processor with not much RAM but would you really like the experience compared to 98SE? it was like history repeated itself because they did the same thing with Window 95 or later on with Vista.


    Yes I would on my massively underpowered machine ME ran way better than 98SE, were not talking a little bit better it was noticeably much better.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    YMMV totally applies I guess.
    • CommentAuthorjtdennis
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    My experience with Windows ME was that upgrades were hit or miss performance-wise. Clean installs or systems that came with it pre-installed generally had little to no problems.
    In the end though, I feel like it was a last minute moneygrab by Microsoft before XP came out.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    > I feel like it was a last minute money grab by Microsoft before XP came out.

    maybe. I think there were other market factors that drove it out. remember that even though USB had shipped a few years before it was Apple tipped the peripheral downpour of mice, scanners, and printers. retailers were fine with the current stock of PC hardware connectors for parallel and serial to hook up printers. without better support from the OS those devices weren't going to get love from the OEMs like Dell, HP and Gateway.

    Windows 98 and NT4 really didn't work well with USB devices. yes, you could get them to work. but it really was the land of green and purple keyboard and mouse connectors. there was even a time when USB keyboards didn't do anything until well past the BIOS stage.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    funny, this reminds me that I lived with the same "Gateway 2000" running 95 until I got a Dell xp machine.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2010
     
    Somewhere around here I have a 40MB hard drive with windows 95 installed on it. The damn things still works. For years All I had was ME upgrade disc so I would use this hard drive with 95 installed on it to verify I owned a full copy of windows. People wonder how I got so good and trouble shooting PCs, being poor and having to figure out stuff like that to keep my computer running, that's how.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    My hd was huge compared to yours-2.5 gb. I still remember the rep on the phone telling me "that will be all that you ever need."
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    brokentry:My hd was huge compared to yours-2.5 gb. I still remember the rep on the phone telling me "that will be all that you ever need."


    I remember when I bought a 100MB hard drive and thought I would never fill it.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    I remember buying the parts to make a 9G scary RAID. it was full about 2 weeks later.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2010
     
    johnfoster:I remember buying the parts to make a 9G scary RAID. it was full about 2 weeks later.


    I remember when we all thought RAID was a good idea.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2010 edited
     
    RAID is a fine idea as long as you know what RAID your are getting into.

    remember the nicknames:
    RAID 0 aka scary RAID. there is a zero percept change of recovering data if you lose one of the drives.
    RAID 1 aka Redundant Redundant RAID. there is a 50% chance of recovering if one of the drives fails. there is a 100% chance that the second drive will fail soon after.
    RAID 5 aka not so scary RAID if you lose a drive you won't lose any data. but it takes as long as a day for the dataset to rebuild.
    • CommentAuthorrider
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2010
     
    johnfoster:RAID is a fine idea as long as you know what RAID your are getting into.

    remember the nicknames:
    RAID 0 aka <i>scary</i> RAID. there is a zero percept change of recovering data if you lose one of the drives.
    RAID 1 aka <i>Redundant Redundant</i> RAID. there is a 100% change of recovering if one of the drives fails. there is a 100% chance that the second drive will fail soon after.
    RAID 5 aka <i>not so scary</i> RAID if you lose a drive you won't lose any data. but it takes as long as a day for the dataset to rebuild.


    My Raid 1 experience has been there is 100% chance the RAID controller will freak out and destroy data on 2 perfectly fine drives. Had it happen to me twice. I've never had RAID protect data for me, I've only seen it turn data into massive piles of useless mismash.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 21st 2010 edited
     
    good point. I've never promoted RAID of any kind as a primary backup device. remember if there is only one copy of something it might as well not exist. the data on my RAID'd drives is there temporarily like video or it's in some data center, it's getting snapped daily. the extra drive is there with the idea that the down time could be minutes not hours. we don't count on it but it's better to be saved than sorry. that said, I don't like having data that has a high availability requirement spinning on a single spindle.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2010
     
    rider:People wonder how I got so good and trouble shooting PCs, being poor and having to figure out stuff like that to keep my computer running, that's how.


    Same here. I have to say, that's part of what drove me to Macs, too. I just didn't want to be bothered band-aiding tweaking and such. I just want to USE my computers at this point in my life. It's a bigger initial investment but I do find my Macs are much less fidgety than any PCs I ever owned. I was good at keeping them all running, but it's not something I really want to do any more, if that makes any sense.

    I'll stop rambling now.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2010
     
    yeah, same here. I think some people just think we had a vision and can suddenly figure this stuff out.
    • CommentAuthorjtdennis
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2010
     
    that's how I've been my whole life. I'd break something and figure out how to get it working again. I wasn't too successful with my sister's boom box when I was a kid though. :)
    Vincenzosi, that's the same reason I got a Mac. I spend so much time at work dealing with Windows, I wanted to be able to come home and not deal with the same things that I had at work.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2010
     
    Yeah. Windows 7 is a major leap over XP and a pretty good improvement on Vista (which I didn't hate) but I'm still a Mac guy at heart. I just <3 my Macs ;-)
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJul 24th 2010
     
    I really like Windows 7. it replaced Vista on one of my "test dummy" notebooks. now it runs more like XP. which means it's not slow on the draw. I want to say it's a whole new computer compared to what it was. while it's still got a crap keyboard and I still loath it's trackpad at least I don't hate using it like I did when the V word was running.
 
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