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    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
     
    well, well.

    it wasn't a larger strategy announcement. but an iceberg in disguise.

    the name sucks. seriously sucks. cue the isle 12 jokes.

    it's not just a double sized screen. it's 1024x768. 480x320 that makes is 5.somethingX larger pixel wise.

    786,432 vs 153,600

    http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

    interesting to me was how much time was spent "browsing." this is a secondary feature. showing the New York Times as a feature is funny because it's the same old thing. the NYT app looks horrible. sure, it's not even beta. but where is the gorgeous type design? having it look just like a newspaper is a mistake I think.

    why mono? oh yeah. accessories.

    picture sharing is an app that we will see.

    of all the things not to show is iChat.

    weird that there is no camara(s) on it. PhotoBooth would be a killer demo app.

    I wonder how long it will take Stanza to get here?

    you know, Zune looks more modern than iTunes. http://www.zune.net/en-us/products/default.htm

    what's the what with Lala? we shall see as it transitions? it won't be long before we see the google search return iTunes instead of Lala. for example:
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=they+might+be+giants+particle+man

    the kids that are complaining already about the difference between ePaper and LCD for reading have never read a book on an iPhone. the "strain on eyes" from an LCD is not a problem. you just change the brightness or the background color to something less white.

    you have to pay $99 to get the 3.2 SDK beta. yuck.
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      CommentAuthorOnFire34
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
     
    I don't see a need for it personally, but if you're looking to compare it to a kindle / nook, it is pretty impressive. My only gripe on pricing is having to pay an extra $130 for the ability to buy a data plan. The base price points on their own are reasonable, though. Lack of multitasking's a letdown as well. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to checking it out at my local apple store.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2010
     
    Completely meh.

    Honestly, this is the first Apple product in years I didn't whip out a card and buy on day one. Not saying anything other than I'm not interested in it and I don't know what need it fills or market it suits.

    The prices are way too high for a "big iPod touch" and I don't see this being the killer mainstream device the iPhone is / was.
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      CommentAuthorlvthunder
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    It's going to be a wait and see device for me. Besides the Apple faithful I don't really see a lot of people buying one of these. Especially with the state of the economy.

    As for Stanza since they already have an iphone app they will be there on Day 1.

    Scott Bourne said this will be good to tether to your camera, but as it is your not going to be able to do that.

    It also depends on how much content they can get for this thing.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    lvthunder:Scott Bourne said this will be good to tether to your camera, but as it is your not going to be able to do that.


    Actually you will be able to if you buy the accessory for it.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    It's ironic they talk so much about the photos. How often do you show pics that way anymore? Isn't it mainly through fb or flickr now?
    No flash is a big killer as well.
    I agree with vin, total meh.
    As I said in the other thread the 16 gb is dumb and will probably be killed in 6 months or less.
    • CommentAuthorTheowne
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    Pointless for me. I don't need a big iPhone. I have an iPhone. I wanted something I could use instead of my netbook. This doesn't fill that.

    Also, for god's sake keep the mic away from Justine. "Um, it was cool, so smooth".
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      CommentAuthorMikey Twit
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010 edited
     
    Honestly, I wasn't that impressed. Having said that, I think all the negative reaction against it is missing the true functionality of what this product is meant for. Example, for me I have a main iMac desktop that is my home hub. It serves my Apple TV's, it's the main iTunes library, main iPhoto library, main email machine, my main computing computer(trans-coding, editing, etc.), like I said my hub for my computing needs. I have a MacBook that is my float around the house computer, surfing on the couch, in bed, at breakfast at the table, checking email, etc. It really doesn't do any real heavy computing, if at all. Now considering how much I paid for it 3 years ago(refurbished mind you, saved a few bucks), this iPad can easily replace this MacBook in the future for me since I really don't need to pay for all those "computer features" for something I want that does surfing, email and media very well on a decent size screen. I have an iPod Touch which is like another appendage, which is great for quick surfing and email checking, but when I don't want to strain my eyes to much, I go to the MacBook. This is where I can see the iPad in my future, though not anytime soon.
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    Rofl...still no multitasking and they have audacity to make fun of netbooks. Wonder what the excuse will be this time since with the iPhone it was about the battery. I see no reason to dump my touch for this.
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    Mike Nayyar:Rofl...still no multitasking and they have audacity to make fun of netbooks. Wonder what the excuse will be this time since with the iPhone it was about the battery. I see no reason to dump my touch for this.


    I don't think Apple is looking to make excuses. It has decided multitasking can be done using notifications, saved state and core applications. Apple doesn't seem to feel there is a pressing need to incorporate full multitasking, which I've got to say I tend to agree with. There are a handful of applications that would be nice to run in the background, but they are quite limited and are more in the domain of techies than the mass market consumer.

    Overall, the iPad, like the iPhone and new Macbook line, is squarely aimed at the average consumer and has limitations which will outrage many true geeks. I think don't think Apple is particularly worried about that though. Especially as it doesn't seem to have effected the sales at all and many of the initial critics have even ended up buying and using the devices they once dismissed.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    Stewsburntmonkey:I don't think Apple is looking to make excuses. It has decided multitasking can be done using notifications, saved state and core applications. Apple doesn't seem to feel there is a pressing need to incorporate full multitasking, which I've got to say I tend to agree with. There are a handful of applications that would be nice to run in the background, but they are quite limited and are more in the domain of techies than the mass market consumer.


    I completely disagree with that. Apple has decided it can try to mimic multitasking, but that doesn't mean it has mimicked multitasking, just a rough approximation.

    There are a handful of applications, but let's not put them in the "you have to be an extreme geek to care" category. Stuff like Pandora / Slacker / Sirius XM are WAY more useful since I jailbroke my phone and installed Pro-Switcher. In fact, for all Apple's "concern" about background apps eating performance and battery, I've seen no such ill-effects. The average person (ie: the mass market consumer) won't think about the stupidity of not letting a music player run in the background until they use it for the first time. At that point, they'll wonder who in their right mind thinks it's acceptable that if you want to listen to Sirius, you can't do anything else on your device.

    Stupid. Period.

    Now, take that argument and expand it because the iPad is significantly larger and more powerful. Imagine a 10" screen that can only run one app at a time. Engadget nailed it when they said "all that power and not a lot you can actually do with it." While the fast games and high res screen are great, I reckon there isn't a lot here that people don't already have in their current Touch / iPhone.

    As for people buying it, I think it'll fail. Not catastrophically, but it'll fail. Why? Because I just don't see who this appeals to. It's too expensive to be an impulse device. It's too big to be a "toss in your bag and forget it" device. It's too limited in functionality to replace a Netbook of equivalent cost, and it's too limited by the OS to replace an actual computer (although for many functions, admittedly, it'll work fine), so I just don't see who buys this thing. Sure lots of Apple fans will rush out on day one and pick one up, but a month after launch, it'll be interesting to see if it moves of shelves at all.

    Oh yeah, and AT&T? Really? I mean, I don't have issues with it (seriously, I don't), but I know I'm in the minority there. Did they not learn anything?
    • CommentAuthorLoganT
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    It's running iPhone OS 3.2. Maybe when iPhone OS 4.0 is comes out logically in the next 6 months; there will be multitasking and maybe this device will be cooler than we think it is.
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    Vincenzosi:
    Now, take that argument and expand it because the iPad is significantly larger and more powerful. Imagine a 10" screen that can only run one app at a time. Engadget nailed it when they said "all that power and not a lot you can actually do with it." While the fast games and high res screen are great, I reckon there isn't a lot here that people don't already have in their current Touch / iPhone.


    I think it is amusing that society is so ADD that it thinks to actually get something done you have to be working on 10 things at once. It's a bit absurd since when you really want to get something done, you focus on that one thing. How does not running some music app in the background make you unproductive?

    There are a ton of applications that can use the bigger screen to do real work. The vfx community is already talking about things like color correction control surfaces designed for the iPad. This is something that needs the bigger real estate. Likewise musicians are looking at many of the musical iPhone apps which are cute now, but too small to be real tools. And then there is the fairly mundane stuff like being able to give up analog newspapers, magazines and textbooks for digital versions. Newspapers have been struggling to find a way to do digital distribution, but neither the web on computers or eInk devices really work well. The computers are not comfortable ways to read for most people and eInk devices are clumsy to navigate. A device like the iPad solves both problems, as natural to read as an eInk device and as easy to navigate as a computer.

    Vincenzosi:As for people buying it, I think it'll fail. Not catastrophically, but it'll fail. Why? Because I just don't see who this appeals to. It's too expensive to be an impulse device. It's too big to be a "toss in your bag and forget it" device. It's too limited in functionality to replace a Netbook of equivalent cost, and it's too limited by the OS to replace an actual computer (although for many functions, admittedly, it'll work fine), so I just don't see who buys this thing. Sure lots of Apple fans will rush out on day one and pick one up, but a month after launch, it'll be interesting to see if it moves of shelves at all.


    It is interesting how closely the forecasts of doom following the announcement mirror the iPhone's launch. That said this device is a harder sell than the iPhone, but I think the price point is actually pretty good especially when you look at the cost savings of digitally distributed media versus the print equivalent. The New York Times is $300+ for a year subscription. The digital version is free, for now, but even when they charged it was a fraction of that. People ended up flocking to the Kindle even though it was originally $400 (the iPad-size Kindle DX is currently $489, so $10 less than the iPad). The iPad is much more capable than the Kindle. I think we can also expect the price to drop as the years go on much as they have with the iPhone.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010 edited
     
    Stewsburntmonkey:It is interesting how closely the forecasts of doom following the announcement mirror the iPhone's launch.


    Aside from Dvorak and Rob Enderle, I don't know who forecasted doom for the iPhone. I work in the industry, and have for the past 13 years, and frankly, we all knew it was a damn revolution from day one and we don't even sell it. In fact, everyone thought so. The iPhone took a device that EVERYONE has and uses and just flat out made it better. You want to talk a "magical revolutionary" device, the iPhone was it. The iPad, most certainly is not.

    I'm not gonna lie. I want an iPad, but that's the geek / early adopter in me talking. The common sense side of me can't stop saying, "For what?"

    And stop comparing it to the Kindle or I'm gonna start comparing the iPhone to walkie talkies.
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    Vincenzosi:

    Aside from Dvorak and Rob Enderle, I don't know who forecasted doom for the iPhone. I work in the industry, and have for the past 13 years, and frankly, we all knew it was a damn revolution from day one and we don't even sell it. In fact, everyone thought so. The iPhone took a device that EVERYONE has and uses and just flat out made it better. You want to talk a "magical revolutionary" device, the iPhone was it. The iPad, most certainly is not.


    The blogosphere was crazy with iPhone doom predictions before it went on-sale. Hell, even the old TWiT forums were full of them.

    Vincenzosi:And stop comparing it to the Kindle or I'm gonna start comparing the iPhone to walkie talkies.


    Why? The Kindle DX is $10 less than the iPad. They are similar sized and both can be eBook readers. Seems like a pretty clear comparison to me. However, I think your comparison between iPhones and walkie talkies is apt. The iPad is clearly far more sophisticated and capable than the Kindle, yet the price point is similar. If the Kindle can be successful, surely there is a market for the iPad.
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      CommentAuthorVincenzosi
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    Stewsburntmonkey:If the Kindle can be successful, surely there is a market for the iPad.


    Who is that market, though?

    I don't see one thing that makes me go "I need that." Gadget lust aside, it's just not that interesting to me.

    Meh. Who knows. Maybe with the 4.0 OS my opinion will change. Right now, it's just a big iPod Touch, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, just not a must-have gadget and I definitely don't see mass market appeal in it.

    I'll be happy to be proven wrong when it launches.
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    One thing I would like to see in both the iPhone and the iPad is less reliance on tethering to a full-size computer. I think especially with the iPad it would be nice for it to be able to operate autonomously. I'd like to see podcast subscriptions and file storage (with a Finder) on the devices. I'd like both devices not to sync with a computer, but simply share with it. I will be interested to see how much of this sort of thing gets integrated into the iPad.

    I also think the sales of this device will likely be gradually building as the iPhone sales were. This is a device that will be a paradigm shift for most people in how they view personal computing. It will take some time for people to evaluate it. It is also a device that will likely replace an existing computer for many people (the second computer, home laptop, etc.) much like the iPhone was a replacement phone for most people. With the iPhone we saw sales increase as people's old plans terminated and they could freely switch. I think with the iPad you will see a lot of people holding off evaluating it until one of their existing computers needs replacing. Since computers are replaced less frequently than phones the sales growth may not reach a maximum for several years.
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      CommentAuthorlvthunder
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    Vincenzosi:
    lvthunder:Scott Bourne said this will be good to tether to your camera, but as it is your not going to be able to do that.


    Actually you will be able to if you buy the accessory for it.


    It will be interesting to see if you can control the camera or if it just has a mass storage driver to suck in the images.
    • CommentAuthorjtdennis
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    I've had some gift cards and money set aside for either a netbook or whatever Apple was going to announce, and I'm a lot less impressed with the iPad than I thought I'd be. As a secondary device, a netbook gives you so many more options. I'm looking for a small computer I can use for notes in class, web browsing, and maybe some terminal/remote desktop things. I guess you can do a lot of that on the iPad, but I think I'm going to be so much happier with a netbook.
    • CommentAuthorLoganT
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    I actually think that the iPad makes a lot more sense than a netbook. Yes a netbook can do so much more, but that's part of the reason why they kind of suck. Part of the issue is that while a netbook does everything, it doesn't really do anything all that well. Don't get me wrong I have a netbook, but the only real reason I have it is because it's cheap. If the iPad was 100 dollars cheaper, I think it would be a no-brainer.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    > Part of the issue is that while a netbook does everything, it doesn't really do anything all that well.

    I've built some solutions around netbooks that turned out to do those jobs extremely well. in all cases the alternative was a notebook or a desktop. but by using the netbook instead of those took the "my that is expensive" or "can it do other stuff because it seems like a waste to dedicate that machine for" to a understanding that all it was going to do was that one thing.

    I'm actually surprised that there aren't more "hacks" being done with netbooks as the basis. you know, low cost, light on power requirements, so what if it's slow, cheap to the point where you just replace it if it breaks.
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      CommentAuthorMikey Twit
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    jtdennis:I've had some gift cards and money set aside for either a netbook or whatever Apple was going to announce, and I'm a lot less impressed with the iPad than I thought I'd be. As a secondary device, a netbook gives you so many more options. I'm looking for a small computer I can use for notes in class, web browsing, and maybe some terminal/remote desktop things. I guess you can do a lot of that on the iPad, but I think I'm going to be so much happier with a netbook.


    So what you're looking for, is not what the iPad is purporting to be. It seems more like a media device, than a true portable computer. Most people are buying netbooks for just web surfing and email, youtube videos and the like. Yes you can take notes with a netbook, but most people who end up with a netbook and start to do more than the basics I stated, they start to become unsatisfied, and people start wishing they bought a slightly bigger laptop.

    And for the record, yes lack of flash support is a problem, but I'm not a fan of flash in general to begin with. It's become website design shorthand for lazy design as far as I'm concerned and it's a resource pig that drives me nuts! If one byproduct of Apple's ignoring flash on their portable devices, it reduces the amount of flash being used out there, I'm all for that!
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2010
     
    here's why NOT having Flash is a benefit.

    http://gimmefrictionbaby.com/
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    johnfoster:here's why NOT having Flash is a benefit.

    http://gimmefrictionbaby.com/
    Sorry can't see it, I'm on my touch right now.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    you are SO lucky. the amount of time this game has taken from me can be measured in days.
    • CommentAuthorThe Bard
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    A4 > iPad.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010 edited
     
    Hmm...on second thought. I'm in industrial sales and carry a laptop on sales calls. Most of my calls I'm standing and walking in the plant. For one, I get tired of carrying a bag with a laptop and picture book in it. Two, I rarely have the chance to stop and open my laptop and show my customer the sweet videos and demos I have on my puter. The ipad could come in quite handy for decreasing all I tend to carry and be much more convenient to show someone.
    The goofing around with it in the evening would be a plus as well.
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    Brokentry - you could do all that now ...

    http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

    Tim
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      CommentAuthordeadite66
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    if i were going to get something like this i would go for a more open (android based) system.
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    Like this one from MSI:

    http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/94697/msi-ready-launch-ipad-alternative

    Tim
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      CommentAuthordeadite66
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    yep that was the one i was thinking of, hate those huge bezels though.
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      CommentAuthorskellener
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010
     
    I have an actual question about the iPad. Maybe one of you knows.

    If you are using it around the house with WiFi, and you have sharing turned on in iTunes & iPhoto, will it work with the iPad? I mean, if I got one, I would probably use it around the house. I don't think there would be any need to store music and photos on it if I could just access the ones on the Mac. Since a MacBook and OS X can view and listen to music shared on the network, do you think this will work on the iPad? I think it makes the low end storage model very attractive if there's not need to store things on the device.
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeJan 29th 2010 edited
     
    iPhone doesn't know about shared iTunes or iPhoto. and there was no demo of this.

    the whole external storage/sharing isn't mentioned at all. there needs to be a way to back it up without needed iTunes. maybe this is going to change in the next 60 days. but as of today the Big Thing really is an island.
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      CommentAuthorbrokentry
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2010
     
    timbo_baggins:Brokentry - you could do all that now ...

    http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

    Tim
    I have a Lenovo thinkpad now that is company supplied. I talked to one of our tech guys now and he said they looked at them but nothing came of it. This is something I would have to buy myself and obviously $600 is better than $1500. It is worth checking into it and seeing why they don't provide those though.
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    skellener:I have an actual question about the iPad. Maybe one of you knows.

    If you are using it around the house with WiFi, and you have sharing turned on in iTunes & iPhoto, will it work with the iPad? I mean, if I got one, I would probably use it around the house. I don't think there would be any need to store music and photos on it if I could just access the ones on the Mac. Since a MacBook and OS X can view and listen to music shared on the network, do you think this will work on the iPad? I think it makes the low end storage model very attractive if there's not need to store things on the device.


    One would hope, though this may be one those things that doesn't make it into the initial release but is part of 2.0.

    I think an updated AppleTV that acts more as a media server would tie in perfectly with this. It could be like an AppleTV when you want to view stuff on your TV, but would have an always on server that would let you stream to other devices. Maybe it could even do network backups of your other computers. I would also like to see the idea of syncing go away in favor of a sharing model where each device can be a world unto itself, but there is the option to link multiple devices if so desired and share content between them (ideally wirelessly).
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      CommentAuthorskellener
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2010 edited
     
    I definitely think the iPad has potential. It is pretty cool.

    I'm sure browsing is great on it. But I think we'll see some good stuff coming from the developers that will make it a much better/useful product. Just today someone was asking about if it would read PDF files - like a script. If it did and allowed annotations, I could see this thing going over well with the Hollywood crowd.

    I really didn't think much of the iPhone when it came out. Apple's offerings on it were pretty sparse. Then the hackers got in to it and it started getting really good and eventually we got the app store. I think once more native apps for this thing come out, we'll see it grow in usefulness. I'm sure it'll be hacked as well.

    It seems like a great tool for students. No more textbooks! I really hope it takes off in that space. Art students however will have to wait.

    The one thing here at work everyone was disappointed in was the lack of drawing capabilities. Everyone here draws on large Cintiqs. Almost every single person said they would have bought the iPad day one, if was basically like a portable Cintiq. As of now, nobody wants it. I know they showed Brushes, but without pressure sensitivity or a stylus for real control for sketching, it's not that great. Finger drawing is not the same. I actually suspect we'll see some third parties introduce hardware and software for the iPad the remedy this. I know the ModBook is available, but it's like $2500. ($5000. for the 15" MacBookPro version if it ever ships). iPad is much easier on the wallet at $500.

    Like I said, I think it shows promise. I'll bet this time next year it will look much more attractive with native apps, hacks and peripherals available. I understand why some people are knocking it, but I think it's only gonna get better. Oh and I bet digital comicbooks on it will be fantastic!
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      CommentAuthordeadite66
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2010
     
    get used to it
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      CommentAuthorskellener
    • CommentTimeJan 30th 2010
     
    Apparently millions have already deadite66 ;)
    • CommentAuthorJapanTwit
    • CommentTimeJan 31st 2010 edited
     

    I surf and get along without Flash quite well on my iPod touch, thank you very much.

    If Flash could be less buggy and more stable, then perhaps Apple would listen, but there are many other better alternatives to Flash for all of the content you posted above deadite66. Many of the websites will probably have mobile or App-based versions anyway basically making sites with Flash alone and desperate for attention. I see that as a growing trend, so get use to Flash being ignored.

    I’m more concerned about the lack of multitasking on the iPad. If that is a 4.0 thing, then I’d seriously get one. I just want to wait 6 months to see what kind of developments arise before taking the plunge…or is it, drink the portable keg of Cool-aid?

    :-P

    You may want to see this

    • CommentAuthorEdXeno
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    I hate this idea that I'm going to need to buy a data plan per device.

    I pay $50/mo. for home internet access and $30/mo. for iPhone internet access. Another $30/mo. for an iPad if I want unlimited? That's $110/mo. for the internet, and I still can't tether my laptop outside of my house.
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    so don't.

    I don't have a data plan for my phone. and I'm never going to as long as I can possibly help it. the way that I see it there is wifi some where. and for 83% of things that's fine. the time that it's not is when I'm on a bus/train/cab. and I really can't help someone while I'm stuck in that environment.
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      CommentAuthorskellener
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    I really thought we were going to see tethering for the iPad to the iPhone. Doesn't mean there won't be a hack for that. I think the iPad Wifi sales will clobber the 3G sales. It just doesn't strike me as the kind of device you use away from a wifi area anyway. That's what the iPhone is for. It's more of a work, school, home device. People can get wifi in those places usually. For those who can't you'll have the 3G model and can get connected for $30 for the month if you need it. But at least you can start and stop that as you need it.
    • CommentAuthorJapanTwit
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     

    EdXeno,

    No, you don’t have to. Just get the cheaper Wi-Fi only version or get the 3G one and pay-as-you-go. I really think it’s pretty trivial, actually.

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      CommentAuthorrudedog
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    skellener:For those who can't you'll have the 3G model and can get connected for $30 for the month if you need it. But at least you can start and stop that as you need it.


    I would assume ATT will have some type of activation fee of at least $30 on top of the monthly fee, knowing them it could be much higher to activate it each time.

    Tmobile is charging $75 for activating their pay as you go service. Still I like the fact that it's unlocked and if Tmobile, ATT and or Sprint starts using the new micro sim format then I can take it with me on any network (that supports it and if it's popular many will)
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    rudedog:
    I would assume ATT will have some type of activation fee of at least $30 on top of the monthly fee, knowing them it could be much higher to activate it each time.


    From the Apple presentation it sounded like there was no activation or cancellation fee. It sounded like it would similar to the paid wireless access they do at certain coffee shops and airports.
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      CommentAuthorrudedog
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    come on it's ATT do you really think they would let you add and drop the service like that :-)
    • CommentAuthorjohnfoster
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010 edited
     
    we won't know until it actually ships. but it may work similar to the way AT&T wifi works for hotspots now. once you enter your phones digits you can use the hotspot without nags for 24 hours. and after that time you have to re-enter your digits. the data plan might not be a "month to month" but more like a 30 day recurring using a credit card or if you have a Blue Death Star contract it asks you if you want another 30 when it expires. if your account is in good standing you you get your bits. that would be the sane way to make it work.
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    rudedog:come on it's ATT do you really think they would let you add and drop the service like that :-)


    Actually yes, especially if Apple told them to. They stand to make a lot of money off this, throwing in unnecessary sign up fees would only lose them money. I'm sure Apple explained that to them and also mentioned pushing the iPhone on different carriers.

    It is also interesting to note that ATT provides the wireless service for the new Kindles (with no cost to the consumer beyond the price of the Kindle), so it is getting pretty good at figuring out that it can make a good deal of money in new business models for mobile data service.
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      CommentAuthorrudedog
    • CommentTimeFeb 1st 2010
     
    I hope so guys,

    I'm actually looking forward to getting all my Mag subscriptions on this thing. Go figure, I bet my wife's school will incorporate this in the next Nursing class. I think she has spend over $3000 on text books so far and will graduate this June.....
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    one of the biggest complaints about e-books is solved with the Big Thing. while the black and white screens of the readers look really good everyone has said, "well if it was in color..." as if lack of color was the biggest downfall of the device. I still say that anyone how complains hasn't actually read an entire book using a reader of any kind. Jeff Bezos in all of his interviews two years ago talks about how "book is still book. the device disappears."

    10 hours is a remarkable life for a battery powered device the 1 week+ that other devices have is more compatible for book. the good news is that what goes on the iPad can translate to just about everything else.

    what remains to be seen is if "text books" actually become cheaper. my bet is they won't have a significant cost reduction. the part of book that isn't the expensive part is the printing. you can get a book printed for about four bucks a copy in insignificant volume. a magic number seems to be 100-500 copies depending on the printer.

    http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm
 
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